After the go-around the first officer asked the captain if she saw the lights on the runway. CommutAir 4933 accident at PQI docket has been released to the public by the NTSB data.ntsb.gov This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast 68 44 44 comments Best EJ1134 7 mo. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. The airplane was substantially damaged. But ALPA is too scared theyll get hit by a DFR lawsuit. [2] It came to rest with the left main landing gear assembly sheared off and wedged between the rear fuselage and the left engine. They also ping the FO for not using his CPAP in a few places. By subscribing to our service you can get the news mailed right onto your desktop as soon as The Aviation Herald reports them and get permission to publish the news/articles on your website or reprint them in your newspaper (but not to relicense/redistribute them to other venues), provided you print proper reference (avherald) or provide a proper link to our article on your online publication. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, a 50 passenger Embraer plane, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport in light to moderate snow. She was slightly ahead of me in seniority at C5, but then left for VX right before she could upgrade. Rule 3: We are seeing many changes in the hiring/retention environment in the airlines in the USA. A pilot and two passengers received minor injuries. Accident. Cassie Daigle took this photo inside the plane shortly after it stopped. The NTSB has released a preliminary report from an incident in which a CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. These training issues sound very much like the FO on Atlas 3591, very obscure training failures that are not painting the whole picture of the pilot involved. She has a 777 type now so she doesnt work for commutair. There were 28 passengers and three crew members on board. Carguychris (talk) 19:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC), The result of the move request was: no consensus. And before anyone starts screaming discrimination and racism, go F off, I know pilots of every sex, color and creed that are outstanding aviators, AND I know white pilots that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them! Its like we didnt learn from Colgan, except to keep the 1500 hr (which I dont think would have stopped the crash, but different topic for different day). We'll check the IP address and possibly reenable access. On Jul 8th 2022 the NTSB released their factual report reporting amongst other details: On March 2, 2019 (2 days before the accident), the flight crew of . The NTSB determined that the probable cause of this accident was the flight crews decision, due to confirmation bias, to continue the descent below the decision altitude when the runway had not been positively identified.. Accident: Commutair E145 at Presque Isle. ). Multiple failures here. Frankly, it's a white man's favorite myth. For all the latest news from the show click here! Cookie Notice If he cant tell were the runway is what other skills is he lacking???? At 11:28EST, as the aircraft descended through 200ft (61m) AGL, the minimum decision height for the approach, the captain called out "runway in sight twelve o'clock." Daigle said his wife hit her head during the incident and once the couple returns to Fort Kent she plans to be evaluated at Northern Maine Medical Center as a precaution. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. Unfortunately, it was implemented way too late to catch things like Atlas and this, but thats the nature of the beast: reactive and years behind at best. During the ensuing approach, both pilots said they saw the runway, albeit with difficulty due to snow. A part of defending the profession means telling people they just arent cut out for flying paying passengers and to pick a new career. The failure of CommutAir pilots who had observed an issue with the ILS prior to the accident and failed to report it to the company and air traffic control. You had me till you brought up sex and skin Color. "Landed and slid to the right of the runway" and "landed on Runway 1 and then veered off" were respective initial statements from CommutAir and the FAA, both of which contradict the findings. She had accumulated a total of 5,655 flight hours, 1,044 of them on the Embraer EMB-145XR. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. According to the report, the landing followed the pilot's second approach to runway 1 after having conducted a missed approach during the first approach. 189k members in the flying community. This incident at the airport in Presque Isle was very disturbing and frightening for the passengers and crew who were involved, said Senator Collins. Privacy Policy. During the final approach, the pilots decided to do a go-around after they were unable to see the runway. Daigle said the plane then bounced four or five times before coming to a stop at a location far from the runway. If this is the same one, she was pretty infamous. Back on March 4th of that year, A 50 passenger Embraer plane was attempting to land on runway 1 at the Presque Isle International Airport in light and moderate . PRESQUE ISLE, Maine (WAGM) - The National Transportation Safety Board issued a final report on the missed runway incident at the Presque Isle International Airport that happened in 2019. Do you want to learn about the safety record of Commutair? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Senator Susan Collins, the Ranking Member of the Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee, issued a statement on the release of the National Transportation Safety Boards (NTSB) final report on the missed runway incident at Presque Isle International Airport that occurred in March of 2019. By subscribing to our service you can get the news mailed right onto your desktop as soon as The Aviation Herald reports them and get permission to publish the news/articles on your website or reprint them in your newspaper (but not to relicense/redistribute them to other venues), provided you print proper reference (avherald) or provide a proper link to our article on your online publication. There were three minor injuries. CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. There are pilots making it into airline cockpits that have had training failures at other airlines and they have been able to hide them from future employers. This was the second approach to runway 1 after having conducted a missed approach during the first approach. The flight was operating under the provisions of Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 121 as a regularly scheduled domestic passenger from Newark International Airport (KEWR), Newark, New Jersey, to KPQI. I never had an issue, but she could be very abrasive, especially toward FAs. March 17, 2020. robertsky (talk) 16:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC), | b1 = , | b2 = , | b3 = , | b4 = , | b5 = , Last edited on 16 September 2022, at 14:10, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:CommutAir_Flight_4933&oldid=1110621196, On 1 August 2022, it was proposed that this article be, This page was last edited on 16 September 2022, at 14:10. At least five days before the accident, six pilots who flew into PQI encountered issues with the ILS localizer. . Remove the front passenger 's airbag. The aircraft appears intact enough to preserve the FDR and CVR. What a douche. The service runs two outbound and inbound flights per day on weekdays and one outbound and one inbound flight per day on weekends. The NTSB announced two investigators have been dispatched to Presque Isle to investigate the accident of the United Express Embraer ERJ-145XR. Crew missed first approach bc something didnt look right when they went visual, then apparently just sorta yolod it on the second attempt and had some severe confirmation bias when looking at what they thought were the runway/lights. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:49, 15 August 2022 (UTC), CommutAir Flight 4933 United Express Flight 4933 Per WP:COMMONNAME, crashes of regional jets operated by contractors under a major airline's regional brand name should use the brand name for easy identification by members of the general public, who are typically unfamiliar with contractors such as CommutAir (not to mention Envoy, Endeavor, Republic, Jazz Aviation, etc.). He had not gone to sleep until around 1:00 EST the night before the accident due to flight and shuttle delays during the preceding workday, and he had only slept until 6:00 EST, about five hours, whereas he usually slept for about eight hours. He had accumulated a total of 4,909 flight hours, 470 on the Embraer EMB-145XR. Radar track data show that the airplane was aligned right of runway 1 during both approaches. Instead, they saw white on white and a structure with an antenna but not the runway itself. The Aviation Safety Network is an exclusive service provided by: United Express flight 4933, operated by CommutAir, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI), Maine, USA, and impacted terrain to the right of the runway. This incident at the airport in Presque Isle was very disturbing and frightening for the passengers and crew who were involved,. United Express flight 4933, operated by CommutAir, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI), Maine, USA, and impacted terrain to the right of the runway. [1]:1,78 At around 11:10EST, according to cockpit voice recorder (CVR) transcripts, the pilots were having trouble seeing the runway clearly and attempted to turn on the runway lights by cuing the radio microphone. The plane touched down then slid off the runway. I remember her from when I got hired at VX. Lets investigate further. We use cookies to ensure you get the best experience on our site. Strange incident with few details to this day. Where is the NTSB Report on Commutair 4933? Even when it's non-functional, they still write a report on it. I work in the 135 world and I was shocked more companies dont fly their applicants either in the sim or an aircraft. Well, the first attempt they pulled up before landing so obviously something was wrong, he said. Le 23 fvrier 2019, un Boeing 767 cargo effectuant le vol Atlas Air 3591 pour le compte d'Amazon Air, entre l'aroport international de Miami, en Floride, et l'aroport intercontinental George-Bush de Houston, au Texas, s'crase Trinity Bay, prs de la ville d'Anahuac, lors de son approche sur Houston.Les deux membres d'quipage et le seul passager prsent bord meurent dans l . United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. Last Update: Saturday, Mar 4th 2023 20:54Z. On March 4, 2019, the Embraer EMB-145XR operating the flight touched down in a snow-covered grassy area to the right of the runway at Presque Isle International Airport, injuring three aircraft occupants and substantially damaging the aircraft. During a postaccident interview, the first officer stated that, when he transitioned from flight instruments to the outside during the second approach, he again saw white on white and blowing snow. It's interesting to see what gets released fairly quickly (such as the 909 accident) or takes forever. ALPA needs to be stop defending these pilots all the time. Following the incident, Senator Collins contacted the National Transportation Safety Board and asked them to investigate the cause of the accident. The NTSB has released a preliminary report from an incident in which a CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. One pilot & three passenger reported minor injuries. The failed landing was the second attempt to land. Due to internet piracy we needed to close access to proxies. This was the second approach to runway 1 . 6.2 Let CommutAir 4933; This report explains the accident involving Atlantic Southeast Airlines flight 529, an EMB-120RT airplane, which experienced the loss of a propeller blade and crashed during an emergency landing near Carrollton, Georgia, on August 21, 1995. . The NTSB report uses CommutAir in favor of United Express and through that, I note that nearly every article is mentioned through that convention (excluding Colgan Air Flight 3407 and a lengthy discussion about it took place if you see the archives. Photo: NTSB. That final report has been out for months. A Commutair Embraer ERJ-145 on behalf of United, registration N14171 performing flight CS-4933/UA-4933 from Newark,NJ to Presque Isle,ME (USA) with Jul 8, 2022 . A local official said it was the pilot's second attempt at a landing. Landing under that set of circumstances is a fools errand. Biggest teller? Contributing to the accident was also the first officers fatigue, which exacerbated his confirmation bias and the failure of at least six pilots who had observed the localizer misalignment to report it to the company and air traffic before the accident. The agency said it will work closely with a federal government contractor . The carrier that won the hunger games contract wars of 2020. Part of the landing gear was torn away, and the nose cone was damaged. Moreover, prior to the second landing, the pilots discontinued the ILS approach after they had misidentified the runway. At 11:16EST, the pilots contacted airport staff[N 1] to verify that the runway lights were turned on at maximum brightness; the staff turned on the lights at the brightest setting. On the second attempt, the pilot landed off the runway between runway 1 and a parallel taxiway. If you search the database for accidents in Presque Isle, Maine there is no mention of flight 4933. The flying pilot should have executed to go around yet did not. Just because you are a pilot doesn't mean you are a good pilot and belong in a high performance part 121 aircraft! Ive seen interview flights of no more than 20 minutes lead to absolutely invaluable insight. Anyone got any suggestions? [7], The NTSB identified the first officer's lack of sleep as a contributing factor. Preliminary Accident and Incident Notices are also available in csv format (Microsoft Excel) for downloading and use in databases or spreadsheets. Airport maintenance staff later reported that the runway lights were not illuminated at the time. Also big Yikes. [1]:1314, Flight 4933 departed from Newark Liberty International Airport around 10:04Eastern Standard Time(EST) (14:04UTC). [1][2], The aircraft was a 14-year-old Embraer EMB-145XR first delivered to ExpressJet in October 2004, for Continental Express. The National Transportation Safety Board is an independent federal agency charged by Congress with investigating every civil aviation accident in the United States and significant accidents in other modes of transportation highway, marine, pipeline , and railroad . Hopefully these things wont slip through the cracks anymore. She returned in May 2016. This community is for discussion among pilots, students, instructors and aviation professionals. A month later we got a PRIA request from another operator. So this guy gets hired and a couple of months later drives his caravan into the side of a hill, taking a passenger and copilot with him. Let us know in the comments below. commutair 4933 ntsb report. Left Republic due to LOFT issueswhat does that mean??? Do you think the history of the CA here will have any impact on contributing factors to future hiring practices? By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. The non-flying pilot was a female captain with a history of training failures. Most reports focus on a single accident, though the NTSB also produces reports . I do not see how PRD will help that kind of situation. and our The EMB145XR subsequently impacted the snow-covered grassy area between runway 1 and a parallel taxiway. Now Im working with them at a majorand guess what? This accident occurred less than 2 weeks after the Atlas crash. This isnt surprising to me at all. 3.4. One landing gear sheered off and wedged between fuselage & left engine.N14171 Embraer ERJ-145 pic.twitter.com/Vg07liGiDU. So we fired him. The initial part of the flight was uneventful. Press J to jump to the feed. The multiple interview references to the CA's training history and reputation are also quite interesting. I had an employee that was a good stick and rudder pilot but horrible decision maker, cocky, and just did stupid shit like rolling a company 207. We tell them Our goal here is to overwhelm you to see how you handle it I watched one applicant put us in a 30 degree nose down tuning a radio. After the accident, CommutAir implemented several actions to increase safety, said the NTSB. Rick Daigle said from the airport via an interview using Facebook messenger that passengers realized there was a problem even before the plane hit the runway. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Release the hooks of the hook plate and remove it. See this is my problem with the industry. I'm personally still waiting to see what happened to the American that struck ground and a few others at JFK. The fact that the product that airlines seek can be bought and behavior tailored shows just how fucked some hiring practices are. Contradicting the report that the plane landed on the runway and then skidded off, he said, that the actual landing, if you want to call it that, completely missed the runway. A United Express Embraer EMB-145XR similar to the one involved in the accident. While she had been a de Havilland Canada DHC-8 first officer with CommutAir, she had received a disciplinary letter and been subject to nine months of monitoring before being allowed to pursue captain upgrade training. The first officer and two of the 28 passengers sustained minor injuries. The report determined the probable causes of this accident to be the flight crews decision, due to confirmation bias, to continue the descent below the decision altitude when the runway had not been positively identified. The captain told the first officer that she could see the runway lights but "it's really white down there thats the problem." The plane literally is nowhere near the actual runway, he said, adding that snowplows had to remove snow so that emergency responders could get to the plane to help the injured passengers. Of the 28 passengers and 4 crew members on board, four passengers and the pilot were taken to the hospital with minor injuries, said Kim Smith, Presque Isle public information officer. The ILS was screwy bc of snow, known issue in PQI. The first officer and two of the passengers were injured. Subscribe . This website uses cookies for user interface, tracking performance and optimized ads. 553 .1972 12 8, N9031U (City of Lincoln): 2 737-222 : 1 . . ago I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. Would not be surprised to see this Captain's name associated with another incident/accident. The pilot flying was a man. On March 4, 2019, a CommutAir flight suffered a runway excursion at Presque Isle International Airport. A quick survey of existing regional airline crash articles reveals a lack of naming consistency, and there is also no uniform naming convention in the aviation accident style guide. Lead Journalist - South America - Daniel comes to Simple Flying with many years of aviation journalism experience, having worked with Mexican publication A21, Roads & Kingdoms, El Economista and more. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Safety Recommendation Report . Preventing Windshield Arcing, Smoke, and Fire on Bombardier DHC-8 Airplanes . CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. The airplane was substantially damaged. Published by on June 29, 2022. NTSB said it will document the reconstruction using 3D techniques, and the data will be archived for historical purposes. The aircraft that arrived around 11:30 a.m. Monday also sustained unspecified damage and is remaining in place until investigators with the Federal Aviation Administration can assess the incident, Smith said. So the vaunted 121 safety system isn't exactly 100% effective? I have to wonder if I could have been honest, if that copilot and passenger would be alive today. The United flights for the Newark-Presque Isle service are operated by CommuteAir, which is partly owned by United. Rather scattered individual, always leaving something in the airplane, always some drama.Then she came back to C5 after whatever happened and having upgraded in 2015, I flew with her when she was rehired. The Ohio-based regional carrier, in which No.3 U.S. airline . Flight Conducted Under: Part 121: Air Carrier - Scheduled. PRESQUE ISLE, Maine (WABI) A United Express flight had a rough landing at Presque Isle's airport Monday leaving a pilot and four passengers with minor injuries, that according to city officials. Airborne 02.24.23: GAMA 2022 Report, Piper News, Starship March Launch. The "issues" she speaks of was that she lied about hours and qualifications and it went beyond that but I can't remember the specifics. ^^^ You nailed it. So if they can get through training, off to the line they go. CommutAir/United Express #UA4933 from Newark landed in Presque Isle and left the runway to the right. [1]:5 Investigators found that the localizer antenna was surrounded by 25ft (0.611.52m) of snow; after confirming the reported localizer misalignment, the snow was cleared, and this caused correct localizer alignment to be restored. The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. Our lawyer told me that I could not say anything regarding this pilot other than "ineligible for rehire" or we could get sued for defamation(?). Interestingly (unless I'm missing something) the CVR transcript still hasn't been released. On the second attempt, the pilot landed off the runway between runway 1 and a parallel taxiway. Theyre famous here too! The subscription requires, that you sign up for an account first, then subscribe from your account. The first impact was hard and violent.. On the second approach when the FO stated he couldn't see the runway at a hundred feet, she should have called for a go around and did not. To fill out this checklist, please add the following code to the template call: I've removed the link to Delta Air Lines Flight 1086 because, although it also involves snow and poor visibility, that accident was fundamentally caused by the aircrew's failure to maintain control after the aircraft touched down on the correct runway. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. We smelled some burning, but nothing was on fire.

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